I tend to use my warnings to serve the duel function of both warning and enticing. Like, if I warn for non-con I know that's a squick for some people (who'll avoid it) but it's a kink for others (who'll read it).
Your examples of what you consider dub-con and what you don't are pretty interesting; personally, I would consider both examples dub-con (the second one for the reasons you mentioned and the first one because I don't think drugged/drunk Dean was capable of giving consent and Sam took advantage of that).
This kind of reminded me of this idea I heard once that drunken sex is never truly consensual sex because a drunk person can't really give consent, but I don't necessarily agree with that--like, I think if in your example Sam and Dean were both drunk and decided to have sex I would see that as consensual, but in your example it seemed more like Sam was taking advantage of Dean's drunkenness so he could have sex with him, which I definitely think is dub-con.
Anyway, that's all I really had to say on the matter, I guess I'll take my thinking cap off now. ^___~ (Oh, also? If you want SPN non-con or dub-con recs I can totally hook you up. I'm just saying.)
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I tend to use my warnings to serve the duel function of both warning and enticing. Like, if I warn for non-con I know that's a squick for some people (who'll avoid it) but it's a kink for others (who'll read it).
Your examples of what you consider dub-con and what you don't are pretty interesting; personally, I would consider both examples dub-con (the second one for the reasons you mentioned and the first one because I don't think drugged/drunk Dean was capable of giving consent and Sam took advantage of that).
This kind of reminded me of this idea I heard once that drunken sex is never truly consensual sex because a drunk person can't really give consent, but I don't necessarily agree with that--like, I think if in your example Sam and Dean were both drunk and decided to have sex I would see that as consensual, but in your example it seemed more like Sam was taking advantage of Dean's drunkenness so he could have sex with him, which I definitely think is dub-con.
Anyway, that's all I really had to say on the matter, I guess I'll take my thinking cap off now. ^___~ (Oh, also? If you want SPN non-con or dub-con recs I can totally hook you up. I'm just saying.)