So. I was googling dub-con to acquire a strict definition, and this is what I found. This is a couple years late but here's my two cents...
In general, I agree with the OP's opinion on what falls under each category. I also believe that dub-con also applies in the opposite direction; In your example of the John/Dean fic, I would say that John's drunken state makes it potentially impossible for him to consent to the act. Dean's part would be entire consensual (though not legally, as pointed out repeatedly). The combination makes a solid "dub-con" warning/advertisement, for me.
Then again, as is the point of fanfic, I would also probably gloss over the dubious consensual nature and call it good word porn. A bit disturbing for some, but good nonetheless.
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Hmm....
In general, I agree with the OP's opinion on what falls under each category. I also believe that dub-con also applies in the opposite direction; In your example of the John/Dean fic, I would say that John's drunken state makes it potentially impossible for him to consent to the act. Dean's part would be entire consensual (though not legally, as pointed out repeatedly). The combination makes a solid "dub-con" warning/advertisement, for me.
Then again, as is the point of fanfic, I would also probably gloss over the dubious consensual nature and call it good word porn. A bit disturbing for some, but good nonetheless.
I don't have a dreamwidth account (not that I wouldn't love one) but if you want to comment on my comment or say anything else, you can email me at starinafay @ gmail.com.
^^
~Kei