SPN 4.16

[briarwood]

Just a quick comment ...

You know, I'm not a big fan of the torture-porn genre, but I've seen enough of it. And watching this ep, all I can think is Dean, you're doing it wrong.

I know, I know. They'd never get the real thing past the censors. But still. So doing it wrong.

It's a measure of Jensen's talent that he can make me feel for Dean in this ep. I mean, the character has become so unlikeable, I wouldn't have thought I'd give a damn...

Then again, I'd say it's a measure of how fucking clueless the writers are that they can actually write Dean is a righteous man with a straight face. Who are they fucking kidding? As much as I adore John, I have trouble accepting him with that label, but Dean? Dean's so very far from anything I can call righteous that I'm just...boggling at the concept.

Oh and one last thing - Go Sammy!

...Okay, maybe not that quick *g*

Comments

[blackjedii.livejournal.com]

I am taking it entirely to mean "the righteous man who we could grab at the same time as we have a very pissed-off antichrist upstairs" only that that "revelation" did not sound very catchy.

Or else that Dean is clearly not a dick and righteous because Kripke said so. One of the above.

[morgan32.livejournal.com]

Or else that Dean is clearly not a dick and righteous because Kripke said so. One of the above.

Dean so is a dick. I don't care what Kripke says. When Sam said it in that episode I was totally there.

It's just...even before the whole trip to Hell, Dean was a lying, thieving bastard, a murderer, a torturer and a potential rapist. How exactly is that a righteous man?

I ain't buying what Kripke's selling this season, I'm really not.

[blackjedii.livejournal.com]

(hm, where'd you get the potential rapist part?)

I don't get the whole dick automatically means bad and SO NOT DEAN!! because superheroes are so dicks in general (http://www.superdickery.com/) but who knows. After this episode I can't bring myself to care anymore. Not even Jensen Ackles can save Dean for me at this point. Scary.

If it makes you feel any better, or perhaps not, think that quite a bit of this particular storyline including the angels and Dean's "new mytharc" (read: chance to be angsty and guilty) were thought up -last year-.

[morgan32.livejournal.com]

(hm, where'd you get the potential rapist part?)

His treatment of Bela.

[blackjedii.livejournal.com]

Ah! Gotcha!

I miss Bela a lot. I wonder if she'd still be around had she been played by a hot blue eyed man named Misha Collins.

[morgan32.livejournal.com]

I don't miss Bela so much as I miss the idea of her - you know, a character who is in the hunters' world, but not really a part of it. Bela herself was written very badly; it would have been difficult to fix that if she hadn't died.

[thady.livejournal.com]

Dean is many things - righteous isn't one of them. *sigh* I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one who thinks so.

And honestly - John didn't break after 100 years of torture? Seriously?

[morgan32.livejournal.com]

You're definitely not the only one.

And honestly - John didn't break after 100 years of torture? Seriously?

John Winchester is a stubborn son of a bitch. I can believe it :-)

[gwendolynflight.livejournal.com]

Okay, so this will out me as a dictionary-geek, but there are some obsolete meanings of 'righteous' that make this prophecy kind of interesting. All from the OED:
b. Rightfully belonging to one. As in Dean 'belongs to' the side of the angels, and therefore 'counts' as righteous - ends, not means!
2. Of actions, etc.: Characterized by justice or uprightness; morally right or justifiable. This one is interesting because of its example: 1470-85 MALORY Arthur X. xiv. 436 By mysauenture kynge Marke smote Amant thorugh the body, And yet was Amaunt in the ryghtuous quarel. Also implies that Dean's dickery is justified by his efforts in fighting the 'right' fight, the righteous fight.
1. conforming to the standard of the divine or the moral law - this is a partial definition, a valence, but it would be interesting to look at definitions of rightness through the angels as well - no one would agree that destroying a whole town of innocents would be righteous, but had God commanded it, and the angels done it, they would've called it a righteous act. It's all moral ambiguity, man!

I dunno. Giving Kripke too much credit, probably. o.0