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Morgan Briarwood ([personal profile] briarwood) wrote2007-11-23 03:56 pm
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Musings on LKH and writing

Some of you know I read Laurell K Hamilton's blog. I have given up on her Anita Blake books; they've been getting consistently worse since Obsidian Butterfly (which was a real gem) and her blog (unintentionally) explains clearly why they're never going to improve. I think it's a shame. Her publisher is, naturally, more interested in getting her books out into the marketplace regularly than in putting out a quality product, and as long as people still buy her bad-porn-masquerading-as-novels the publisher and editor have no motivation to explain to her that she's writing crap.

By contrast I stil enjoy the Merry Gentry books. The last one A Lick Of Frost is really, seriously good. I'm more tolerant of the bad porn in this series as it's at least part of the plot, and was established as such from the beginning. Believe me, when her porn is bad, it's excruciating. I mostly "read" the audiobook versions of the Merry books and with them you don't get to sort-of-skip-ahead the we we all tend to with the bad or boring passages when we read. It's all there, every word emoted by the poor narrator, who really does a great job with the material. And her appalling habit of using "go" when she means "come" (as in orgasm) is really noticable. As are her occasional descents into the truly outlandish.

But in Frost there's actual plot. And character development. And...it's an actual story with a beginning, a middle and an end.

It's...you know, like good slash can be. Except LKH is a homophobe in her writing, making her heroines explain over and over how they're not attracted to women and, mostly, never allowing her men to be gay either. Bisexual is allowed, as long as there's a woman in the mix, and WNGWJLEO is fine as is, apparently accidental gay sex. But actual homosexuality? Gay is forbidden.

Okay, I got off-track there.

I was going to talk about her latest blog post in which she talks about authors who hate their main characters. I can go along with much of what she's saying. I think that's a fundamental part of fandom: in fanfic we write about the characters we love, or, failing that, the characters we empathise with, or failing that, just the ones we think are sex-on-a-stick.

There's a reason I never wrote SGA slash: I think McKay is an arrogant bastard with no redeeming qualities. I have no motivation to write about him unless it's to give him a starring role in the latest Saw movie but I don't want to be that kind of writer. Similarly I wrote very little BTVS or Angel fic because, though I adore the shows, there was never any character (except Doyle, who only lasted six episodes) I truly, truly loved. Not the way I love Jim Ellison and Methos (and Amanda and Nick Wolfe) and Hercules and John Winchester. (And boy, did that last love take me by surprise. I oughta hate him. But I can't.)

But writing original characters is a little different, isn't it? I mean, in fandom we can pick our favourites because in a well-rounded show there are heroes and villains and even the good guys have flaws occasionally and in a really well-produced show even the villains occasionally get our sympathy. But if you're creating an original universe from scratch, you have to make sure all those things are true. Your heroine can be someone you love, but you've got to show her warts-and-all. And the "warts" can't be cute flaws that are really not flaws at all (the way when someone asks you what your faults are in a job interview you cunningly suggest something that would actually be a strength in the job you want). No. Bad writer, no biscuit. You can't populate a fictional universe with Mary Sues.

This, over and over again, is the point LKH completely misses. It's almost tragic, reading posts like this one where she's so close to getting it then fails to apply the conclusion to her own work. Conan Doyle may have loathed Sherlock Holmes, but he created a character who endures through the ages. He created a genius, a hero for his age, who was also a rat bastard with many, many faults. And readers still love Holmes, with all his faults and quirky. So much so that people are still disappointed to realise he was only ever fictional.

The example of Christie's Poirot...well, Christie was lousy at character. She was into plot and spent only as much effort on character as she needed to for the plot to work. Which is why I can read her books, but I can't watch the TV adaptions without cringing. But even so, she created a character who is, frankly, a pain in the ass. But he's a fascinating pain in the ass. Quite something considering the real point of her novels was never the detective, but the murderer.

But LKH says she wants to love her characters. Okay, fine. But the result is an author who is afraid to kill characters off, afraid even to visit them with the realistic consequences of their actions. Fine, if you're writing Red Shoe Diaries. Big mistake if you're still fooling yourself you're writing plot.

Which is why I was so stunned by the latest Merry Gentry installment. The Merry series has always been better in terms of characters with flaws. Oh, here again, most of the "flaws" are in fact those quirky things that make a character stronger, but at least the characters are consistent and their actions have logical consequences. So far, at least.

ETA: As I was saying... :-)

[identity profile] raynedanser.livejournal.com 2007-11-23 04:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I love when you post thought provoking ... posts. lol And you managed to nail why I have such a problem with the Anita Blake books of late without knowing actually WHY I was having the problem. But yeah, I think you hit it pretty well.

Sadly, I was never able to get into her Merry Gentry series and again, it's not like I could begin to tell you why.

(btw? can you leave comments to her blog? And tell her to find an editor that actually edits, etc? lol But then you'd probably just be being "mean." Heh.)

[identity profile] morgan32.livejournal.com 2007-11-23 04:42 pm (UTC)(link)
btw? can you leave comments to her blog? And tell her to find an editor that actually edits, etc?

No, her blog doesn't have comments. She does have a forum on her site, though, and while she doesn't often post there you can tell from the blog that she does read it.

But telling her to find a decent editor wouldn't work. She thinks she writes good stuff.

[identity profile] raynedanser.livejournal.com 2007-11-23 04:46 pm (UTC)(link)
But telling her to find a decent editor wouldn't work. She thinks she writes good stuff.

So what you're saying is that she has Danielle Steele Syndrome? :D

[identity profile] morgan32.livejournal.com 2007-11-24 07:47 am (UTC)(link)
she has Danielle Steele Syndrome?

I have no idea. I've never read Danielle Steele.

[identity profile] raynedanser.livejournal.com 2007-11-24 01:01 pm (UTC)(link)
You're not missing much. I did, before I knew better. ;-) She's worse, so much worse. Run on sentences and sentences that start with And and... The last time I tried it was a borrowed book (Thank GOD) and I could finish the first page because her grammar was so terrible.

[identity profile] mtmontage.livejournal.com 2007-11-23 05:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Don't tell me Merry is going downhill now too. I was really annoyed when the books started covering only a few hours instead of days or weeks. Seems to move really slow now, but at least still interesting.

[identity profile] morgan32.livejournal.com 2007-11-24 07:10 am (UTC)(link)
Don't tell me Merry is going downhill now too.

Hell, no.

Uh...well, Mistrial's Kiss was pretty much the low point. Was there a plot in that? If so, I couldn't find it.

But A Lick of Frost is great. Not up to the standard of the early Anita books, but far and away the best she's written in the last few years. It's got a plot and everything. The ending blew me away.

But now, of course, I'm scared she won't be able to follow it up.

[identity profile] mtmontage.livejournal.com 2007-11-24 09:42 am (UTC)(link)
Awesome, I'm waiting for B&N.com to get mine here. *taps foot*

Never read Anita since I'd already heard that it went downhill when I decided I may want to read it. i didn't want to get into it and then be disappointed. And as long as it's better than Mistral's Kiss it's worth reading! When does Doyle get his book, damn it! ;)

[identity profile] morgan32.livejournal.com 2007-11-24 11:23 am (UTC)(link)
The early Anita books are excellent. Just read them in order and stop at Obsidian Butterfly. Seriously - if you enjoy Merry, you'll probably love Anita up to that point.

When does Doyle get his book, damn it! ;)

You're a Doyle fan, too? I'm just guessing, but from the way this one ended I suspect Doyle's will be next. You'll have to let me know when you've read the latest - we can chat about it.

[identity profile] mtmontage.livejournal.com 2007-11-24 03:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I may have to pick up the first Anita book on my next B&N order to see if I like it and go from there. I just get so into a series that I hate to drop it even if I know it's going to crap out on me...

I'm just guessing, but from the way this one ended I suspect Doyle's will be next. You'll have to let me know when you've read the latest - we can chat about it.

I hope you're right! Doyle has been my favorite from the start! I will defitnitely let you know when I'm done!
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[identity profile] ice-of-dreams.livejournal.com 2008-01-12 10:00 am (UTC)(link)
Doyle's the seventh book. The title is Swallowing Darkness or something like that..

.... I still can't get over laughing when I read that.

But Doyle has been my favorite even before Meredith liked him too.

[identity profile] morgan32.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 01:25 pm (UTC)(link)
LOL. Yes, I saw that title, too, in her blog. I think it probably qualifies as the worst she's ever come up with...though it wouldn't be quite so bloody hilarious if it weren't a porn series.

Ah, well. The plotishness of Lick of Frost gives me hope that the content won't be as bad as the title suggests.
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[identity profile] ice-of-dreams.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 01:36 pm (UTC)(link)
true true. But Mistral's Kiss was just ECHHH and that was a "guard title book" too.

Of course, because there's a lot of work to cover with Doyle, it might be a better book all around. (Why he was in love with Andais, his real personality... you know his views are so close to Merry's but he was with Andias for such a long time, How he became captain of the guards... actually how he became a raven period.)

And as you said, it's a porn series. :p

[identity profile] morgan32.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 02:23 pm (UTC)(link)
LKH has left Merry (and us) with more questions about Doyle and his history than about any of the other guards. Honestly, I'd probably be happy with cover-to-cover Doyle!porn - I don't read the MG books for their depth ;-) [Though I really, really, really wish she'd learn that the word is "come" not "go". And that "cock" is a perfectly good word - her euphamisms get worse and worse all the time.] But I have a mental wishlist for a Doyle book.

I'm not so interested in his love for Andias - that seems fairly self-explanatory, and becoming one of the ravens was supposedly a great honour a few thousand years ago. I want to see something of why he's so scary, and the end of LoF left that possibility wide open. I mean, we've seen plenty of his softer side, his good qualities, and we know he's a great warrior. But I want to see "the queen's darkness". Really see, so that Merry's fear of him in the first book makes sense. I also want to know more about Essus' death and as Doyle was the lead investigator this would be a good opportunity.
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[identity profile] ice-of-dreams.livejournal.com 2008-01-14 06:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, well. I think the ENTIRE reason why I've read up to now is becasue every time I hope the next book would be about Doyle. And I end up reading about Frost. Or Sholto... or Rhys... yes. More Doyle porn. He stopped appearing in his own porn in book 2. too many OTHER guards. No important metaphysical/emotional sex for Doyle. Bad author.

I was thinking about the entire Essus thing the other day too. I completely forgot he was the lead investigator there. And is the Sholto-Doyle personal issues the same as the Sage-Doyle issues. And why haven't I actually seen more spiders than book1? (a lot of meaningless questions are floating around in my head)

Although yes, I admit. Doyle-Andais seems pretty self-explanatory if you put 1,000 years together. But I dunno... just because you're captain of the guard and you're loyal to your ruler doesn't equate you falling in love with said ruler. Loyalty and that type of love are... cousins, but not its twin.

Actually, I'm more specifically interested in why a former healing god became captain of the guard? (Of course healing is not his main capacity...) And yes. why he's so scary. other than he's an assassin, and the undisputed champion of the court and that he's... the darkness.

I had more questions in my head (nice fluffly questions and deep prophesy induced questions like... if the green man will bring life to the court and the green man is Consort and Consort made Doyle vessel yada yada) when I read the book. But now they're just fizzing out over the idea of a Doyle porn book. I think that phrase short circuited my brain. Maybe there's going to be a mystery in Swallowing Darkness like the first four books... although yes. Doyle porn. I am now running on those two words. ...